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Hi, John.

Bob, how are you holding up?

I can't complain. You mean pandemic-wise or what?

Yeah, I mean, what else?

Well, yeah, what else? Exactly. You know, I have very few complaints. I mean, I'm not not. There are people who are much more adversely affected than me. How about you? Well, I actually, this is a momentous day for me. So I'll share you a bit of news that I got just like. Wait, first let me say, I'm Robert Wright. This is the right show. You're John Hogan,

famous science writer. You write for Scientific American. You've written books. Maybe we'll

plug some of them later. We're going to talk about TV series devs, all the philosophical,

scientific issues raised by it, and go at least 15 minutes without plot spoilers now

okay go back to what you're saying i just have to share this because um it just happened and

it's really changed my outlook on what's happening now so um I got really sick in early March.

I had, at the time, I thought it was a flu.

Very intense flu.

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