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Intelligence Matters

The Sandy Hook Shooting and How Conspiracy Theories Affect National Security: Journalist Elizabeth Williamson

Intelligence Matters

CBS News

(154991), News, Cbs, Politics, Government

4.63.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 June 2022

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Intelligence Matters, host Michael Morell speaks with journalist and author Elizabeth Williamson, who traced the rise and proliferation of conspiracy theories surrounding the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting in a new book, Sandy Hook: An American Tragedy in the Battle for Truth. Williamson and Morell discuss how the conspiracy theories began, to whom they tend to appeal, and how social media companies have been integral to their spread. Williamson also explains how the U.S. may have begun 'exporting' politicized disinformation and techniques now being coopted by authoritarian governments around the world. 


Editor's note: This episode was taped before the tragic events in Uvalde, Texas.

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0:00.0

This is Intelligence Matters with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morel,

0:06.4

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Elizabeth Williamson is a feature writer for the New York Times and a former member of the Times editorial board.

0:19.8

Elizabeth joins us today to talk about her new book, Sandy Hook, an American tragedy and the battle for truth.

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1:38.4

Elizabeth, welcome to Intelligence Matters. It's great to talk with you.

1:44.4

Michael, thanks for inviting me. Elizabeth, your author of a new book titled Sandi Hook, An American Tragedy and The Battle for Truth.

1:55.4

It's an amazing read and I think it's a very important book. Congratulations. I know how tough it is to write and get a book published. Congratulations.

2:05.4

Thank you.

2:07.4

So as you know, I'd love to break the discussion down into two parts here. One, the book itself and two, the implications of the Sandi Hook story for national security.

2:24.4

But I want to start by tying the two together right off the bat before we get into the book. So you began your journalism career by reporting from Russia and Eastern Europe.

2:38.4

And I'm really struck by the fact that this part of the world, particularly Russia, has long had a conspiratorial mindset. You know, if you're a Russian, you see sinister forces behind the scenes manipulating pretty much everything.

2:57.4

And I'm wondering when you were there, if you sensed that mindset number one, and do you think your time there in any way made you more conscious of what you eventually saw in the Sandi Hook story? Did it help you see it more clearly? Do you think?

3:17.4

It's a great question. And yes, you know, in thinking back while I was writing my book, I went back to the mid 90s when I was in Vladimir Putin's St. Petersburg and heard my first kind of conspiracy theories around elections as a matter of fact, you know, that there were powerful international forces meddling in elections for the Duma and for president at that time.

3:44.4

And so I did go back and think about that. And at the time, I thought they were kind of amusing. And, you know, just so kooky as to be, you know, so bad. It's a good kind of thing. Just so oddball and unbelievable that you can't believe anyone would take it seriously.

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