The Rule of Law Under Siege: Judge Dugan Indicted, Roberts' Weak Trump Rebuke, Habeas Corpus Crisis

The Oath and The Office

Corey Brettschneider

Government, News, Politics

4.9 • 591 Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Co-host Corey Brettschneider celebrates winning the American Bar Association Silver Gavel Award—but there's no time to rest. He and John Fugelsang tackle the urgent threats facing American democracy.
Judge Hannah Dugan’s Bombshell Indictment:
An unprecedented indictment of a sitting judge sparks a crisis of judicial integrity.
Roberts’ Hollow Warning:
Chief Justice Roberts warns the rule of law is "endangered," but Corey and John expose why Roberts’ criticism of Trump is too little, too late, given his own controversial record on presidential immunity.
The Habeas Corpus Crisis:
Can a president suspend habeas corpus? The hosts unpack the chilling scenario where Congress supports such a constitutional breach, outlining a potential showdown over fundamental rights.
Qatar, Trump, and the Emoluments Clause Scandal:
Corey and John reveal how a lavish foreign gift to Trump represents exactly the type of dangerous influence America’s founders warned against—from Washington’s time to ours.
Birthright Citizenship at Stake:
The hosts preview a critical Supreme Court case examining the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of birthright citizenship, highlighting what’s at stake for America’s identity.

With sharp wit and incisive analysis, this episode delivers a fearless exploration of constitutional crises and the ongoing fight to preserve American democracy. Subscribe now for your weekly dose of insight on the Supreme Court, the Constitution, and the battle against authoritarian threats.

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0:00.0	Welcome once again to another edition of the Oath and the Office.
0:14.0	I am John Fuglesang. I want to thank all of our listeners and everybody who subscribes and gives the great reviews.
0:20.2	And boy, we're just
0:21.0	growing week after week. And that is due to the brilliance and the sensitivity and the empathy
0:26.4	and the outstanding dance stylings of our star. People of Earth, would you please welcome the author
0:31.8	of the book, The Oath in the Office, and the Presidents and the People? And let me be the first to tell
0:36.5	you, the American Bar Association
0:38.4	has just selected the presidents of the people, five leaders who threaten democracy and the
0:43.3	citizens who fought to defend it to receive the 2025 ABA Silver Gable Award for Books. Professor
0:49.2	Corey Brett Schneider, welcome and congratulations. Thanks so much, John. It's an honor to get this award, and I think the American Bar Association is trying to send
0:57.7	the message to as much as I wanted to just be about the merit of the book.
1:02.0	I think it's about the idea that we're facing a current threat to democracy.
1:06.2	So a book on that theme, I think probably is what resonated with them.
1:10.4	On the podcast, I have to say, I'm just so happy that week after week, our amazing listeners
1:15.4	are writing to us, reviewing it, and that we are growing so fast.
1:19.2	And of course, I ran into you for Mother's Day by accident, but it was a very welcome run in.
1:26.0	And I was happy to hear my wife, Allie, tell you that you are the reason she listens every week. Well, listen, I think that's true for many. I'm getting you off the street, professor. That's all it is. And I'm so thrilled for you on the award. I know it was down to between you and Alina Haba for her new book about the law, which is called me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and you narrowly edged her out.
1:45.4	Congratulations, Corey. and Alina Haba for her new book about the law, which is called me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and you narrowly edged her out.
1:47.1	Congratulations, Corey.
1:48.3	It's a wonderful book.
1:49.7	Your book is getting me through this whole period.
1:51.8	Your book in a lot of pharmaceuticals.
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