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True Murder: The Most Shocking Killers

THE RULE OF CRIME AND ME-Anne Jaeger

True Murder: The Most Shocking Killers

Dan Zupansky

True Crime, News Commentary, Documentary, News, Society & Culture

4 • 2.7K Ratings

🗓️ 12 May 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

From her small-town Michigan roots to becoming a New York Times bestselling author, Ann Rule’s life journey is as fascinating as the cases she covered. Discover how she revolutionized crime writing, influenced FBI profiling, and Rule's fateful encounter with a murderer at just nine years old. Go behind the scenes of Rule’s most infamous cases—including Ted Bundy (The Stranger Beside Me), Randy Woodfield (The I-5 Killer), and Diane Downs (Small Sacrifices)—and explore her personal insights into the murderers Rule and Jaeger both studied. Featuring never-before-revealed true crime cases, jaw-dropping interviews, and the little known story of Rule’s time as a sex decoy for the Seattle Vice Squad, this book also delves into the extraordinary three-decade friendship between Rule and Jaeger. With exclusive letters from notorious killers and an inside look at Diane Downs' chilling correspondence with Manson murderer Susan Atkins and I-5 Killer Randy Woodfield. Anne Jaeger and I discuss Ann Rule's fateful journey to become the undisputed "Queen of True Crime"—her families' law enforcement background that shaped her own perceptions of crime and punishment, and her transformative role in true crime writing, and true crime history. THE RULE OF CRIME AND ME: An Intimate View of Ann Rule Shared by her Friend of 30 Years—Anne Jaeger

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You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking killers in true crime history,

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and the authors that have written about them.

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Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker, BTK.

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Every week, another fascinating author,

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talking about the most shocking and infamous killers in true crime history.

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True murder.

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With your host, journalist and author, Dan Zufanski.

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Good evening. From her small town Michigan roots to becoming a New York Times best-selling author,

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Anne Rule's life journey is as fascinating as the cases she covered.

0:52.5

Discover how she revolutionized crime writing, influenced FBI profiling,

0:58.1

and Rule's fateful encounter with a murderer at just nine years old. Go behind the scenes of

1:05.4

rules' most infamous cases, including Ted Bundy, The Stranger Beside Me, Randy Woodfield, the I-5 killer,

1:13.9

and Diane Downs, small sacrifices, and explore her personal insights into the murderers

1:21.2

and Rule and Jagger both studied. Featuring Never Before revealed true crime cases,

1:29.1

jaw-dropping interviews,

1:31.1

and the little-known story of Rule's time

1:33.8

as a sex decoy for the Seattle Vice Squad.

1:37.6

This book also delves into the extraordinary

1:40.7

three-decade friendship between Anne Rule and Jagger, with exclusive letters

1:47.2

from notorious killers and an inside look at Diane Downs' chilling correspondence with Manson

1:54.2

murderer Susan Atkins and I-5 killer Randy Woodfield.

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Author Anne Jagger and I discuss Anne Rule's fateful journey to become the undisputed

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