Before we start, a quick announcement, Claudia Golden, John.

Professor of Harvard University has just won the Nobel Prize in economics for advancing

the understanding of women's labor market outcomes.

What she actually did was like a detective.

She went and found series after series, time series, data on why women do not get paid as well as men across the board, which is still the case.

And it's extraordinary and it's actually timely and it's about time that the Nobel Prize is awarded to a woman for this.

She has the first woman to win a...

No, no, no, no.

But for specifically talking about the fact

that women do not earn as much as men

have not done...

She was the first then, was she?

She did all the hard yards.

And in a way, research is a bit like detective work.

You know, you've got to go and find this stuff.

It's not there.

Now, at Kilkenomics, we have two of probably the most famous female economists, right?

We have Stephanie Kelton and Isabella Weber, most likely the two most influential voices in female

economics in the globe right now. They are challenging all the conventions of the mainstream

economics on money, central banking, interest rates, inflation. And both of those

have been on the podcast. Those of them have been on the podcast. And I'm delighted that we're

going to host them for the first time ever together at Kilkenomics. Brilliant. So listen to

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