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When I sat down with them and they would say what their life has been like and the sense of rejection that they feel and everything that they've gone through, I remember sitting there going, my goodness, me too.

And then they talk about alienation and racism and discrimination and what that does to you, what that really feels like.

And I remember sitting there just nodding and nodding and nodding and going, yeah, me too, me too. I get it. I completely feel like that too.

But then at the end of all of that, I would always sit down and sort of think to myself, but what is it that makes him pick up a gun and I pick up a camera?

Hello, welcome to the Ezra Client Show on the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Sean Elling, the interviews writer at Vox, filling in for Ezra Client.

My guest today is Diacon, a British documentary filmmaker and human rights activist. She is the creator of two extraordinary films airing right now on Netflix, White Right Meeting the Enemy and G-Hot, a story of the others.

These films and trust me when I tell you are fantastic. They on the surface are about opposing brands of extremism, white supremacy and G-Hotism, but they're really about how similar and reciprocal these extremisms are and they're incredibly insightful.

During the course of these films, she sits down with white supremacists, she sits down with G-Hotis and she tries to understand what is really motivating them.

It is a genuinely revealing attempt to cut through the caricatures and the rhetoric and even the ideological trappings and really find out what's really motivating these people to hate and kill other human beings.

The results are truly astounding. I did an interview with Dia a couple of months ago for Vox.com, but I was hoping then and I'm ecstatic now that we were able to do a podcast version because there's just so much color, so much detail, so much wisdom,

in her stories and some of that got lost in the conversation when it got to still down to text. And so this conversation will track with a lot of what we said in the previous conversation, but we're going to dive a lot deeper and we're going to pursue some of the threads they didn't have a chance to pursue the last time we spoke.

I really cannot overstate how much I've enjoyed my exchanges with Dia. She is an extraordinary human doing extraordinary work and I hope you find her insights as compelling as I have.

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