They are using airhorns and shouting and signs everywhere and were you to stand up and speak,

you'd be completely drowned out. And what I saw there as I watched you calmly sitting, understanding the error that these people were obviously making right in front of you

was that Jordan Peterson is losing badly in that room

but he is winning decisively in a much larger room that you can't see.

And so I coined the frames.

The C. A?

Yeah, the room is not the room.

Right. The room is not the room. That sounds so great.

Right.

So that's the spiritual landscape behind everything.

That's a good way of thinking about it.

Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I have the distinct honor and pleasure of sitting this afternoon with a man who truly needs no introduction unless you've been living under a rock since 2016, Jordan Peterson. Jordan, welcome to the

podcast. Thanks, Brett, it's pretty good to see you. Is it 2016? Is that the moment

at which I remember you confronted by a crazed mob in Toronto?

Yes, yep, fall of 2016. It's been quite a ride since then.

I imagine you would agree with me on that. That's for sure. Yes, it continues.

It can. Yeah, it doesn't seem to slow down any. That's certainly been my experience. Heather and I say that we feel like we got

picked up by a tornado in 2017 and it hasn't put us down since and it seems to have picked almost everybody else up too in the intervening years.

Yeah. Very strange thing because I assumed at the beginning that it would be, you know, a storm and blow over but no wrong no wrong it only gets more intense so

let's start here you have decided and I am thrilled that you have decided to join us for Rescue the Republic September 29th in Washington, D.C.

And aside from us having a great lineup and it looking like a lot of fun, can you say something

about why it is you've decided to make what is a very substantial effort in order for you to be there and speak?

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