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🗓️ 7 July 2025
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Professor Suzannah Lipscomb welcomes Dr. Madeline Potter to unravel the rich yet tumultuous history of the Roma people. From Tudor England, where the Egyptians Act sought to expel Roma under stereotypes of robbery and deceit through to the dark corridors of Eastern Europe to understand the centuries of enslavement in Romania, to how the Ottoman Empire treated the Roma with suspicion despite their shared Islamic faith.
They discuss the allure and practicality of gold among Roma people, their cultural intersections with Irish travellers, and the survival techniques of Romani communities under oppressive regimes. A history packed with tales of adversity, culture, and survival that define the Roma legacy.
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Presented by Professor Suzannah Lipscomb. The researcher is Max Wintle, audio editor is Amy Haddow and the producer is Rob Weinberg. The senior producer is Anne-Marie Luff.
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0:32.3 | Welcome to the Eastern City. The walkie-talkie, the Gkyn, Ledenhall Market. It's where the old meets |
0:39.3 | the new, where pioneers have made things happen for 2,000 years. It's where diverse minds |
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1:05.0 | Hello, I'm Professor Susanna Lipscomb and welcome welcome to Not Just the Tudors from History Hit, |
1:12.5 | the podcast in which we explore everything from Anne Boleyn to the Aztecs, |
1:17.0 | from Holbein to the Huguenots, from Shakespeare to Samarise, |
1:21.5 | relieved by regular doses of murder, espionage and witchcraft. |
1:25.7 | Not in other words, just the Tudors, but most definitely also the Tudors. |
1:34.8 | In 1630, Miguel de Cervantes published a curious short story titled La Gittania or The Little Gypsy Girl. |
1:48.4 | Coming just eight years after Don Cahote, it tells the story of a beautiful, wise and virtuous |
1:54.8 | Roma dancer named Preciosa, and it marks one of the first literary attempts to grapple with |
1:59.7 | the mystique and prejudice surrounding |
2:01.9 | the Romani people. Cervantes' story is steeped in both admiration and misunderstanding, |
2:08.0 | fiction reflecting a world in which Roma identity had already been distorted by fantasy and fear. |
2:14.5 | But Savantes was writing in a time when Roma people were being persecuted across Europe. |
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