I think there's an incredibly disgusting concept in society that says nice guys finish last.

I think it's an awful thing.

As a matter of fact, I really need to make a hoodie and start rocking it that says nice guys finish first

because I really believe that.

Because I think it's what

are you judging like cool you made 83 million dollars in the bank and you die and

nine people show up to your funeral was like that good I would argue it's not why

is kindness so important to well because at 47 it's clear to me that that's an equal variable to work ethic that's brought me to the place that I'm at and the thing that I watch and admire and others who are in similar places.

Jerry, thanks for having me here.

Thanks for having me on your show, brother.

Yeah, yeah, it's good to be in this office.

So many people that I told I was coming to chat with you

associate you with hustle.

What are they getting wrong when they make that assumption?

The nuances of it, right?

Like, yes, I believe in work ethic.

I, you know, I think it's a variable.

But I don't think it's as, you know, it kind of reminds me of what just kind of going on in the world, right?

We're so into headline reading.

I think there was a couple of viral posts on medium written about me

on hustle porn and that kind of like cemented a point of view

that even the writer of that article three years later

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