Jesus is obviously the most controversial figure and also the figure who has the most amount of ownership from entire people groups.

Right.

That's my Jesus.

And if we do anything that contradicts their vision of who their Jesus is, they'll say, well, that this week's interview with Dallas Jenkins, who is the creator of the chosen, a Jesus story that began, I believe, on apps and is now

streaming and doing great business.

I wanted so, I'm really eager to talk to him because for a long time, I believe that only

Christian filmmakers had found the key to getting around the headlock that basically the left had on Hollywood.

And I think that basically is still true.

And for a long time, I was kind of, I didn't like Christian films.

I've talked about this a lot.

I didn't like their sunny attitude.

I didn't like the fact that prayer always worked.

I didn't like the fact that there were not, there was no darkness and tragedy in them. But then I realized that I was actually wrong, that those kind of films brought in an audience, an audience brings in talent, and then the films get better. I've always talked about the novel when the novel started, the English novel started in the 18th century. It was just a sort of thing that they gave to women, women read novels. It's a pastime,

it's nothing serious. And then Jane Austen was attracted to those crowds and turned it

into the great novel of the 19th century, which then was followed with Dickens and all the

greats who came after him. So I think that's what's happening now. I mean,

I think that the The Chosen is an incredibly original version of the Jesus story. It uses,

well, you know what, let's bring on Dallas Jenkins. He's called one of the most important,

most of the powerful TV producers. He is just a really talented filmmaker and creator. Dallas,

it's so nice to meet you. Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Andrew. And I want to say real quick, besides the fact I'm a big fan of your show and your work, I do apologize in advance. My eyes, I just had a minor eye surgery done last week, and so there's still some swelling. So if anyone's watching going, he looks funny.

That's why.

So I just want to get that out of the way.

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