With the monthly full money extra, I'm Chris Hill.

Back in the 1970s and 80s, there was a surefire way to succeed in the world of stand-up comedy.

Get on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson.

If you could nail a five-minute set and make Johnny laugh, it was like a gold stamp of approval

that made it easy to get booked in comedy clubs across America.

In the comedy, Bubble Burst and things began to change.

Someone who's lived through those changes is comedian Greg Fitzsimmons.

Greg has a stand-up special on Netflix and comedy central.

He's also an Emmy award-winning comedy writer.

Last year I got the chance to sit down and talk with him about the business of comedy,

the long road to success, and the role of social media.

There are a lot of headliners around the country that have social media following,

and the club's book them when they have a million followers because they know they can get a crowd.

This is what happened when the last comedy bubble burst.

They were booking headliners that they thought could draw because there was a soap opera star

named Walt Willie, who was like, exactly.

They would put him into clubs and crowds would leave and they would go,

I'm never coming to the date and funny bone again because that was such a terrible experience.

And clubs have to book great comedians.

And there are enough great comedians right now, and they don't do that, and it's going to ultimately burn them.

But now I think it's a meritocracy.

I think if you're a really good comic and you're in a big market,

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