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forward slash road to Amas. Welcome, Rob. Good to have a conversation about the road to Amas. Welcome, Rob.

Good to be here. So the road to Amas on the road to Amas, and I'd really like you to maybe attack this

from a slightly unusual angle. And this represents what a lot of people would say is the best Bible study

ever that didn't get completely written

down. But it's also a story about conversions. And could you maybe unpack that for us?

Yeah, I'd be happy to. You know, when we hear the term conversion, we usually think of the Damascus road that Saul was on and the conversion

that happened to him in Acts 9 and Acts 22 and Acts 26. We have three records of it. And that,

of course, is the prototype of conversion in the early church. But that isn't necessarily the only kind there is.

And most people don't associate conversion with the experience that Clopas and his companion

had on the road to Amas meeting up with as apparent stranger.

But not only do I think it qualifies every bit as much as the Damascus Road experience, I'd like to provide some reasons why we ought to see this as the normative model for our own lives.

That is ongoing conversion.

The first thing to observe that I think is highly relevant is that Clopis and his companion,

and we don't know who he is, you know, or who she is.

It could have been his wife since in John 1925.

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