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Hello folks, this is Risk, the show where people tell true stories they never thought they dare to share.

I'm Kevin Allison, and recently we received the very sad news that someone who was so dear to the risk community passed away.

Jan Scott Fraser was an extraordinary person in so many ways. And I'll talk more about Jan at the end of the episode. In honor of Jan's memory, we thought we would

revisit one of the all-time classic risk stories that she told on the podcast back in 2011.

There's also a personal essay version of it in the risk book.

And I can assure you, even if you've heard the story before, it is so worth hearing again.

But we also have a special treat for you after the story, something you surely have not heard

before. In 2021, we recorded a conversation between Jan and a narrative therapist named David

Newman. David works at Sydney Narrative Therapy in Sydney, Australia, and it's just so lovely to hear

these two wonderful people discussing this beautiful story. So, without further ado, here is the

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