This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Wednesday, January 11th,

2003. I'm Caleb Brown.

The United States has remained engaged with Russia's war in Ukraine,

though avoiding more direct hostilities with Russia, seems preferable to just

about everyone.

Cato's Eric Gomez discusses what the U.S. is already dispatched to help with Ukraine's defense, and what hardware or U.S. demands would signal a clear

escalation. We spoke Monday. Lots of people are very supportive of the efforts of Ukraine to beat back the Russian military in its

attempt to just seize the country on behalf of Mother Russia and there are a lot of Americans who

Believe hey this this is probably a legitimate fight and we are supportive of this country asserting itself and saying no you don't

own this country this is a separate country you have your own country, please go home, and yet do not want the United States

to be actively involved in this protracted now almost a year-long effort to repel the, I was going to say Soviet Army, but the,

and I'm sure some of the equipment is Soviet but that repel the Russian army

Where do you draw those lines for US involvement? Obviously we're already involved in a sense. We're

providing equipment, small arms, and some what? What are we providing?

Oh, lots of fun things.

So we're providing small arms artillery systems, rocket artillery.

Now with the latest... artillery systems, rocket artillery.

Now with the latest package of deliveries,

the US is sending Bradley armored fighting vehicles as well.

So we're in it, right? I believe up to now the current US

contribution in terms of security assistance is somewhere north or close to $25 billion, which would make Ukraine a very substantial military

indeed just from the United States alone. And you know this is raising some questions as the war drags on of

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