From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to Stay Tuned.

I'm Pete Barara.

These leaders let you know from the very start of their campaigns who they are by preaching violence,

like Trump did and Duterte and Bolsonaro.

And yet people invite them into the system or embrace them and then are amazed when they don't become more institutional indeed they become more radicalized.

That's Ruth Ben-Giatt.

She's a professor of history and Italian studies at NYU and the author of Lucid, a newsletter on threats to democracy.

She focuses on the history of authoritarianism, democracy, and propaganda.

Her most recent book, Strong Men, Mussolini to the present, looks at how illiberal leaders use corruption and violence to maintain power and how they can be defeated.

Ben-Giatt joins me this week to discuss the rise of fascist politics in our time.

We talk about the recent election of Georgia, Maloney, and Italy, the reign of Vladimir Putin, and the tactics of Florida governor, Ron DeSantis.

That's coming up. Stay tuned.

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