This is Rusty Reno, editor of First Things Magazine, and I am at the editor's desk for our next installment of a regular podcast from the editor's desk.

And I have with me Matthew Crawford, author of The Rise of Antohumanism from our September, August September,

2023 issue.

This originated as a lecture, First Things Lecture in Washington, D.C. back in March of

2023. But before we get going, Matt, I'd like to tell listeners that you have a substack,

Archadelia, that I subscribe to, and I would urge the listeners to this podcast also to subscribe to Arcadelia.

Matt Crawford is one of the most perceptive diagnosticians of the very strange political cultural moment in which we are living.

So, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks, Rusty, and thanks for the warm words for the sub.

Good.

You anti-humanism.

Well, what would count as political humanism?

Political humanism?

Yeah, I mean, it's anti-humanism and the post-political condition.

That was the title of your lecture.

So when you're thinking about anti-humanism, you're thinking about it in terms of our, how we are treated, how we are understood as citizens.

Is that fair?

Yeah, so, right, the idea is that there's a kind of common thread that runs through the picture of the human person

that seems to be operating in various departments of the human

sciences, in technology, and kind of the approach to governing.

And I think it's based on a fairly low view of the human being on the number of fronts.

I'm sure we can get into that.

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