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Who is Peter Teal?

The answer to that question probably depends on when you ask it.

At one point, he was the co-founder of PayPal, and after being an early investor in Facebook,

he became one of the most successful venture capitalists in Silicon Valley.

You may also know Teal as the man who killed Gokker,

or more recently as a close friend and supporter of former President Donald Trump.

Teal is a complex character who's had outsized influence over startup culture,

and Bloomberg's Max Chaffkin has chronicled it all in his new book, The Contrarian,

Peter Teal and Silicon Valley's pursuit of power.

Max spoke with Peter Kafka recently for the Recode Media podcast.

Here's a bit of their conversation.

I have a vague idea.

I had a vague idea who Peter Teal was.

Decent idea who Peter Teal was before I read your book.

Even before he became America's favorite supervillain a few years ago.

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