Welcome to the conversations that matter podcast. My name is John Harris. Today we're

going to be talking about something that is very difficult. Something that some of you

may not even want to listen to and I want to just warn you up front especially if you have children if you're driving around.

I'm going to be sharing a story that is kind of disturbing that have something that happened to me a week ago and I've

been molling it over for a week and I want to share with you some of the thoughts

that I've had as I've been molling this over.

And my goal in this, it's not to be morbid or to disturb people.

My goal is, number one, to relate,

to just let you know what I'm seeing and I'm seeing what you're seeing and I

realize a lot of people are seeing what I'm about to describe or they're

they're affected by it somehow in their life and right now especially

the other thing and more importantly perhaps is just to offer some explanation and some hope

I'm gonna give you why I my reason why I think my

reasons why I think so many people right now are deciding to end their lives. And it's

very sad and I've attempted to understand it as best as I can. I've gone through

periods of depression in my own life. Not clinical or anything like that, but there's part of me. I mean we've all have that. We all have life isn't easy. Life is not easy. It's, you know, I remember what's that quote in the Princess Bride, life is pain?

You know, it's not just pain, there's good things, but there is a lot of pain.

And I think back to, just because I study history, I think back to even 100 years ago,

especially two or 300 years ago,

the deaths that occurred during childbirth and the women who died during childbirth.

I mean, look at you just two people in the 19th century, look at Abraham Abraham Lincoln and look at Jefferson Davis.

And if you study both their their lives, you know Jefferson Davis I think lost two

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