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slash voxpod this is recode media peter kofka that is me whenever i'm really enjoying a TV show, I watch the TV show, obviously,

but then I seek out Joanna Robinson from The Ringer because she writes in podcasts about this stuff

better than anyone else. She's my favorite. But Joanna is not just a TV person. She also loves

herself some movies. She also loves Marvel movies in particular, which is my long wind-up to say

Joanna Robinson has co-written a new book.

It's called MCU, The Reign of Marvel Studios.

Welcome back, Joanna.

Oh, my gosh, thanks for having me.

I love talking to you about dragons and superheroes and sort of drag you down into the genre dirt with me, Peter.

I don't like the implication that I'm above the genre dirt.

I love genre stuff,

but I am often confused by it, which is, which is, in particular, I wanted to talk to you about Marvel because we talk a lot about the business of Marvel and the business of Disney.

And occasionally, I think, I tend to sort of forget why people like the stuff. And I wanted to

talk to you about that. But tell me what the book is supposed to be. Is it for hardcore Marvel fans or people who don't spend a lot of time thinking about Marvel? Is it for businessy people? This is the question I was asking the entire time we were writing the book as I was having this sort of identity crisis. So who is this book for? I was constantly what I was asking my co-authors. And eventually what we decided maybe for our own piece of mind was that it's for everyone. I know that sounds like a really slick sales tactic. But I really do think, so there's definitely juicy tidbits in here for people who think they already know everything about Marvel. I've heard that from a number of people

who thought they knew everything about Marvel and their own. There was so much in here I didn't know.

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