Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Nathan Robinson. I'm the editor in chief of Current Affairs

magazine. I am joined today by Zeke Fox. He is an investigative reporter for Bloomberg News. He is

also the author of The New book number go up inside cryptos wild rise and staggering fall

zeke fox thank you so much for joining us on current affairs today thanks nathan trying to bring

energy to the introductions you see oh. Oh, I appreciate that.

I like it.

Do you know what people are saying about your book?

I have Googled myself recently.

Yes, I have to admit it.

So you know, then, the most common comment about your book is that it's the good book

about Sam Bankford-Fried and cryptocurrency.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing. We're referring to those. the good book about Sam Bankford-Fried and Cryptocurrency.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

We're referring to, there's also a book by Michael Lewis.

And when I became aware of this book,

the number go up is my first book.

And I thought, oh, no, I'm writing about the same topic as literally like the most famous and successful

nonfiction book writer around. I'm like prepared to be crushed. So it's been, uh, quite a surprise

that, and like a huge honor that people have compared my book favorably to his. Right. And he had

a bunch of access to Bagman Fried.

And the funny thing is that, you know, he has this kind of formula for his books and they're about these underdogs.

And, you know, he tried to write that book about Sam Bagman Fried, who appears to be, you know, a criminal fraudster.

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