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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and guests about politics.

It's Thursday, December 17th.

I'm Dorothy Wickenden, executive editor of The New Yorker.

In 1995, the Texas oil billionaire Ross Perot founded the Reforming an Alternative

to the viciousness and corruption of American politics.

I think as we create this party, and as you put it all together, we have got to avoid

any divisiveness or the games and things that are historic in politics and people's desire

for power and people's desire for attention and people's desire to be noticed at any cost and so on and so forth.

And just stay totally focused on this is all about the future of our great country.

This is all about our children.

When Perrault ran as the party's candidate for president in 1996,

he captured 8% of the popular vote. In 1999, the Reform Party's candidate for president in 1996, he captured 8% of the popular vote. In 1999, the

Reform Party's candidate, Jesse Ventura, was elected governor of Minnesota. But the party's

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