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Diane Rehm: On My Mind

The ripple effects of Trump's plan to 'own' Gaza

Diane Rehm: On My Mind

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🗓️ 13 February 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Earlier this month Donald Trump stood next to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and announced that the United States would take over Gaza. The Palestinians who live there, he explained, would be sent to Jordan and Egypt. He went on to describe a vision of the war-torn land being transformed into the “Riviera of the Middle East.” 

Since then, Trump has stood by his comments about the U.S. taking ownership of Gaza, much to the shock of leaders around the world, and even those in his own party. 

This comes at a time when the ceasefire between Hamas and Israel is at risk of falling apart.

Aaron David Miller is a former State Department Middle East analyst and negotiator and a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He says Trump’s proposal doesn’t need to be implemented to have an effect. “The idea alone has already undermined the Israel-Hamas agreement.”

Miller joins Diane on this week’s episode of On My Mind

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Diane. On my mind, the ripple affects Trump's Gaza bomb shell. On February 4th, Donald Trump stood next to Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin and Netanyahu, and announced the U.S. would take over Gaza.

0:24.7

The Palestinians who lived there would be sent to Jordan and Egypt,

0:30.0

and the area would become, quote, the Riviera of the Middle East.

0:36.4

Since then, Trump has stood by his comments to own Gaza, much to the

0:42.4

shock at leaders around the world and even those in his own party. It comes at a time when the ceasefire

0:51.8

is at risk of falling apart.

0:55.1

The idea alone has already undermined the Israel Hamas agreement.

1:03.1

That's Aaron David Miller.

1:05.3

He's a former State Department Middle East analyst and negotiator

1:09.6

and a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment

1:13.2

for International Peace. Aaron David Miller, we're talking on Thursday morning. Let's go over

1:22.8

what Trump has said about this, quote, plan to remove Palestinians from Gaza and take control of the

1:33.3

area. What are the main points of this? I mean, clearly, it is not a plan, fortunately, at least for now,

1:43.9

that has any chance of implementation. I don't think

1:47.5

if you sat down with the president and his advisors that he could go much beyond what he's

1:53.2

already said. And what he said is very confusing. I have to say, Dan, I worked for Republicans

1:58.7

and Democrats for 27 years, Jimmy Carter to Bush 43.

2:03.4

I've never seen an idea.

2:05.8

And we came up with some not entirely great ones, but I've never seen an idea that is more

2:11.2

provocative and dangerous.

2:13.2

In a one fell swoop in the company of Benjamin Netanyahu, the president of the United States

2:19.7

tethered the United States to an idea that at best involves force transfer.

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