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called Eddie Bravo Radio. He's very well known for beating one of the Gracies in 2003 as a brown belt

and a jih Turtain and the legendary Gracie family. And at the time, like I said, he was just a

brown belt. So it was a legendary win and really kind of unknown at the time. And I think really was a big part of making him as popular as he is. And obviously his talent has a lot to do with that. He's a master of rubber guard. Like I said, musician, podcast. He did. Well, that was in a little bit of everything. So we actually, and he was really nice enough to do multiple interviews with me because we did an interview late last year, 2014.

As I record this intro, it's March 2015.

And our first interview in 2014, the quality wasn't very good.

He wanted me to call his cell phone and I use my cell phone to do that.

And unfortunately in the studio, I don't have very good service.

So it kind of made for a shitty quality show. I'm going to put that initial show at the end of this podcast. So if you want to continue listening and hear it, great. If not, no big deal. We probably talked about some of the same things just because it was so long ago. So probably neither of us remembered what we talked about specifically the first show. But this show seems like the quality is a lot better

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