Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

I'll just say it outright. TKO should be broken up. Flat out should be broken up.

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I do like to see what your mentions are like these days.

Uh, they're a graveyard.

It's funny, some months ago, I did the podcast of Demetrius Johnson, famous fighter.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he'd asked me, like, you know, some of the reservations I had about the modern product.

And I had just kind of mentioned in passing that it's got a little too right wing for me.

And this set off a firestorm. How much do you get? Luke Thomas, can you please just stick to sports?

Yeah. Like, you know so much about MMA. You're a dean of the sport. That is a, that's a touchy

subject. And it's really weird because it's like, it's very obvious that it's right wing. And they are in denial about it. And I guess they think that me talking about it in that way is blasphemous or something. I'm not quite sure. Yeah. The denial is so fun. I mean, again, not necessarily fun in your mentions, but fun as a just a psychology experiment. Like, what is, what is going on there? I have a little bit of insight, maybe. Yeah. I was thinking about this, and I was looking this up. When Joe Rogan opened his comedy club in Austin, Texas, I'm not sure how long ago, for a few years at this point, there was a lot of fanfare about it. And he did a bunch of interviews. Comedy mothership.

Comedy mothership, yeah.

They were asking him, hey, what's it like to be the first anti-woke club for comedy in the country? And he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not anti-woke. You know, there's not woke and then anti-woke. There's just woke, and then we're a return to normalcy. and I think that there is a problem with self-identification because there's clearly support for right-wing ideas, support for right-wing candidates,

support for right-wing billionaires on his show, support for any number right-wing conspiracy theories,

you name it. And then if you ask them if they're a right wing, they'll be like,

no, no, no, no, no, I'm more like some kind of loose association of the middle. We exist on a, on a spectrum. Yes. And it's like, I don't, I don't think so. I don't think so. So I think it's a lot of people who don't accept that. Yeah. And then the other part is people who are like, you're very yes

MMA is very very right wing

why do you even care

and the answer is because it's become Yeah. And then the other part is people who are like, you very, yes, MMA is very, very right-wing.

Why do you even care?

And the answer is because it's become a vector for right-wing politics in the country.

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