The Right Way to Fight Illiberalism: Christopher Rufo and Yascha Mounk Debate

Honestly with Bari Weiss

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🗓️ 26 January 2024

⏱️ 115 minutes

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Today, Yascha Mounk and Christopher Rufo debate the origins of DEI and the right way to fight the illiberal orthodoxy that has consumed our schools and institutions. Christopher is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a board member at New College of Florida, and maybe the country’s most influential conservative activist. He thinks that using the power of the law to stop DEI is essential. Yascha is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and an international affairs professor at Johns Hopkins University. He thinks that while DEI—and woke ideology more broadly—is concerning, he doesn’t think the answer to its illiberalism should come in the form of bans and legislation. They both recently published books that investigate the changing cultural trends of the American left. Yascha is the author of The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time. And Christopher’s book is America’s Cultural Revolution: How the Radical Left Conquered Everything. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:32.1	I'm Barry Weiss and this is honestly.
0:35.0	In the past few months, I think a lot of people have been shocked
0:38.0	to see the moral rot that's taken hold inside of our American universities, exposed out in the open and on full display.
0:46.3	They were shocked to learn that at Columbia, a professor praised Hamas's terrorist attack
0:50.4	on Israel as awesome, or that at UC Irvine a professor said quote
0:54.4	the Zionists have been exposed for the criminals and bloodthirsty animals that they
0:59.1	are this is a gift from Allah to the world.
1:03.0	Or that at Virginia Tech, a professor said that his Bala terrorism
1:06.3	is just a form of anti-imperialism.
1:08.8	That unfortunately the Western left shies away from too much.
1:12.1	Or that at Cuny, a lecture reportedly shouted at a rally
1:15.2	that Zionism is a trap go back to your true history,
1:19.2	go back to Yiddish land.
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