You must never ever give up or give in.

You must keep the faith and keep your eyes on the prize.

That is your calling.

That is your mission.

That is your moral obligation.

That is your mandate.

Get out there and do it.

Get in the way.

Change. Change happens because people care. You the people have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

I still believe with all my heart, America can't. free and beautiful to make this life a wonderful adventure.

I still believe with all my heart, America can be a place where no child is left hungry,

no community is left behind, and no one gets told they don't belong.

The fight for our country is always worth it.

Hello and welcome to opening arguments. This is episode 1092. I'm your host Thomas Smith and we're going to get back to our interview with Obdi. So much more to come. Really fascinating. Truly one of the most enjoyable interviews we've ever done. And after that, we're going to have the usual Thomas takes the bar exam

answer to last week's question. Find out if I finally break my horrible streak. And then, of course,

a new question for folks to play along. So stick around for that. It's a lot of fun. And the usual

patron shoutouts after that. So that's the plan. Why don't we take a break and get to part two of the interview with Obdi?

What was your plan?

I mean, I imagine you've taken so long and so much effort to get there.

Yeah, like, I imagine there was a feeling of like, okay, what now?

You know, like you've just accomplished something that you've been striving for for so long.

How did that feel?

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