once you start to think about, like, oh, can I plant milkweed? Can this help in my local area?

Then you start to think about, well, where else did these butterflies go and where do they travel?

And it just makes you curious. And it makes you really think about like, what is the root of these monarch butterflies?

Where are they going? And what are they seeing on their journey? And it sort of just creates this empathy,

which I think is also just super important. And it makes you start to think from their perspective,

right? Like what does it like to be a monarch butterfly or any other species that migraised these

long distances, right? Like the bad I mentioned also, you know, birds. What does it like to sort of wake up in the morning and have to kind of cross

these landscapes? And where are you going? Welcome to Care More Be Better, a podcast for people like

you who care about the social impact of conscious companies and everyday heroes.

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Welcome to Karamor Be Better, the podcast where we explore the systems, stories, and ethical choices shaping our regenerative future.

Today's episode is about movement and what happens when it's interrupted.

As humans, we've drawn borders, built fences, and claimed ownership over land in ways that have fractured our ecosystems, displaced indigenous stewardship, and forced wild animals into increasingly

perilous compromises. My guest today has spent years reporting on what it takes to repair

these human-caused fractures. Hillary Rosner is a science journalist and author

of Rome, Wild Animals and the Race to Repair Our Fractured World. This is a book that asks what

coexistence really demands of us, ethically, culturally, and practically. Hillary, welcome to the show.

Thanks so much for having me. Now, as I got started with Rome, this book is out by Patagonia Press, I was compelled to first

think about what moved you to start with movement rather than extinction or climate as the

organizing theme of this book. Why is that choice, something that came about to you? And

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