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The Ricochet Podcast: Summit Song and Dance

The Ricochet Superfeed

Ricochet

Politics, News

4.4652 Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Donald Trump and Xi Jinping have ended their two day summit in Beijing with lots of talk and no announced breakthroughs. James and Steven break it all down. Speaking of breaking down, we welcome back National Review senior writer Noah Rothman to talk about the left’s embrace of political violence that he covers in his […]

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We should be partners, not rivals, achieving mutual success and common prosperity, finding the right way for the two major powers to coexist in the new era.

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The world has arrived at a new crossroads,

0:43.1

where the China and the United States can navigate the so-called Thucydides Trap.

0:48.8

It's the Rikishay podcast. I'm James Lilley with Stephen Hayward,

0:51.8

and we're going to be talking again to our favorite Noah Rothman, who's written a book, Blood and Progress, about left-wing violence. Let's have ourselves not a riot, but a podcast. With the U.S. defend Taiwan if it came to it? I don't want to send me. There's only one person that knows that. You know who it is? Welcome, everybody. It's the R ricochet podcast, number 789 I'm James Lilex on a beautiful spring day in a dinah, Minnesota. Stephen Hayward is in California where, of course, the sun always shines. So, Stephen, how are you today? I am good. James, good to see you. Well, as Spock said in Star Trek 6, only Trump can go to China.

1:32.5

What do you make of what has been done?

1:36.8

The headlines that I'm getting, of course, it's always amusing to read the headlines in my feed.

1:46.5

I use Apple News and they gather up all of the things that are said and everything is fraught with terror and failure and worry and uncertainty and the rest of it.

1:48.4

And I've come to just discard 90% of it waiting for history to make its final judgment.

1:53.6

Of course, by then I'll be dead.

1:54.9

But so what have you been able to glean from what you've heard about this meeting with

1:59.3

Xi?

2:00.3

Well, not much really because we don't really know what's available for public consumption

2:05.9

can be at wide variance with what's actually happening at the negotiating table and all the

2:10.6

side discussions that go on between the large entourage from brought with him.

2:15.6

So I am amused by the fact that what the media seems most concerned with is that the

2:20.2

traveling press corps from the United States has been roughed up by Chinese officials.

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