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I'm Dorothy Wickenden on On today's Politics and More podcast, David Remnick talks with Reverend

William Barber. Barber is the founder of Repairors of the Breach, an organization dedicated

to bringing morality back to politics.

Now, a couple of weeks ago, I sat down for a conversation with a clergyman named William

Barber.

Reverend Barber is pastor of Greenleaf Christian Church in Goldsboro, North Carolina.

And until recently, he was president of the North Carolina chapter of the NAACP.

Four years ago, Reverend Barber led more than a thousand demonstrators who were arrested

for refusing to leave the state legislative building in Raleigh.

Because we have no permanent friends or permanent enemies, only permanent interests

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