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This is Deep State Radio.

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Hello and welcome to the podcast.

I'm David Rothkoff, your host.

And as you know, every so often,

when a really important book comes out,

we like to sit down with the author. We've got

just such a book and a really special author here today. Jim Shuto is CNN's chief

national security analyst and anchor of CNN Newsroom.

He reports and provides analysis across the networks, programs, and platforms on all aspects

of U.S. national security, including foreign policy, the military, the intelligence community,

and the State Department.

And his book is The Return of Great Powers, Russia, China, and the next world war.

Welcome, Jim.

Thanks so much.

It's really good to be on with you.

I thought this was an extremely well done book and it clearly is dealing with some really

important issues. I like you know our audience is mostly foreign policy and

national security oriented and so I may get to some of the more domestically

oriented components of the book

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