You're listening to the Tudor's Dynasty podcast with Rebecca Larson.

How do we determine the truth when it comes to historical figures with less than stellar reputations?

The answer, and I think my guest today will agree, is by gathering and reading everything you can on the subject.

While my current opinion of Anne Stanhope is not a positive one, I welcomed my guest today to help open my eyes, and maybe yours too, to the real Anne.

Susan Higginbotham is the author of several books, including Margaret Pole, the Countess in the Tower,

and the Woodville's The Wars of the Roses in England's most infamous family.

She has also done extensive research on Anne Stan Hope, and that is the very reason I asked

her to be on the show today. Susan, welcome. Thank you. I'm so excited to have you on because

you are here today to talk with us about somebody that is really a part of the history

that I've been researching since I've been researching Thomas Seymour, but I really don't

know very much about her. So I'm so excited to have you on to talk about this woman from

Tudor history who has just left quite the reputation. Oh, yeah, and her reputation is rather undesirable, I would say.

I would say part of it is deserved, but I think also she was a difficult woman in an era

that wasn't particularly appreciative of difficult women.

Well, and the one thing that always comes to mind is that Catherine Parr referred to her in a

letter as, I think it was, that hell. And there were some people around Thomas Seymour even who

mentioned after the death of Catherine Parr that Anne didn't really have a problem with him, but more so

with Catherine. Tell us a little bit more about that.

Well, there was, of course, a rivalry between the two Seymour brothers, and Seymour was very

little to her husband, but as I said, she also had a very strong, difficult personality.

And for whatever reason, she and Catherine Parr had not

seemed to have gone along pretty well. It may have dated back at the time of they were at court

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