Hey, you're listening to the On the Media Midweek podcast. I'm Michael Owenger.

Back in October, I spoke with Ben Lorber, a senior research analyst at Political Research Associates, about his work tracking Nick Fuentes, the Gen Z white nationalist influencer.

Fuentes had been trending in the news after a leaked young Republicans chat

revealed how his ideas were taking hold in some conservative circles. Then just a week or so

later, Nick Fuentes, thank you for doing this. Yeah, thank you for having me. I wanted to meet you.

I've heard about you. I've heard about you. Tucker Carlson invited Fuentes to speak to his nearly 5 million subscribers on YouTube.

I want to understand what you believe, and I want to give you a chance in a minute to just

play it out.

That two-hour interview triggered a crisis among the GOP's top brass that pitted major conservative

influencers against one another and garnered headlines declaring the start of a Republican

Civil War. This week, we decided to call up Zach Beecham, senior correspondent for Vox,

to help us wade through all the fallout and break down what this tells us about

anti-Semitism in American politics.

Zach, welcome back to the show.

Hey, hey, good to be here.

Let's start with the debate unfolding in the GOP and the right-wing media right now.

A debate that really came to a head when Tucker Carlson hosted

Nick Fuentes on his podcast last month. Tell me about what you heard in that interview and why

it's so significant. Let's like situate this. Nick Fuentes is an out-and-out anti-Semite. It's just

very open. It's not even euphemized. And Tucker had been

flirting with the stuff for a while, right? You know, engaging in some World War II revisionism,

some conspiracy theorizing, saying some very dubious stuff at Charlie Kirk's funeral,

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