The Report, Episode III: The Campaign and the Leaks
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🗓️ 4 August 2019
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
While Trump campaign officials engaged with the Russian social media manipulation operation as unwitting dupes, the story of the Trump campaign’s involvement with the GRU email hacking operation is more complicated.
Episode three is entitled "The Campaign and the Leaks." It covers the Trump campaign involvement in the distribution of hacked materials. No American took part in the actual Russian hacking of Democratic emails, but when it came to actually releasing the stolen emails, the story is more complicated. First, the Trump campaign and associates had a number of direct and indirect interactions with Wikileaks about releases of stolen materials. And second, in what may be the most bizarre escapade of the entire Mueller report, the Trump campaign, including Trump himself, set out on a wild goose chase to get probably-fake Clinton emails from probably fake Russian hackers—even as real Russian hackers were busily releasing real Clinton campaign emails.
In this episode we also tackle a section of Mueller’s report that is largely redacted in order o prevent harm to the ongoing prosecution of Roger Stone. As listeners will see, a great deal of what is behind those redactions can be gleaned from court filings in the Stone case, as well as from the special counsel’s draft plea agreement which Jerome Corsi declined to agree to and instead publicly leaked.Â
This episode features Shane Harris, Julia Ioffe, Quinta Jurecic, Mark Mazetti and Matt Tait.
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| 0:22.0 | rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:30.0 | Previously on the report. |
| 0:33.0 | Military intelligence, GRU, was engaged in hacking, |
| 0:37.0 | on democratic targets. |
| 0:39.0 | The GRU deploys this tactic known as spearfishing. |
| 0:41.0 | WikiLeaks and particularly its founder, Julian Assange, |
| 0:45.0 | privately expressed opposition to candidate Clinton |
| 0:47.0 | well before the release of the first stolen documents. |
| 0:51.0 | Time is of the essence here. |
| 0:53.0 | If you've got this material, we're the ones you want to give it to. |
| 0:55.0 | For the time to campaign winding down this new, |
| 0:57.0 | inappropriate video may hurt the Republican candidate's chances. |
| 1:01.0 | And you want to give it to us quickly. |
| 1:03.0 | And the reason why is a democratic national convention |
| 1:05.0 | where Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee for president. |
| 1:17.0 | It's July 27th, 2016. |
| 1:19.0 | Donald Trump has just given a press conference, |
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