The Report, Episode 13: Pardons on the Table
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🗓️ 27 October 2019
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
It’s January 2018. Paul Manafort and Rick Gates are in a whole lot of trouble. The past is catching up to them. Three months earlier, they’d both been indicted on multiple felony counts and now it looks like there might be even more charges coming. Gates is getting nervous--they’re facing many years in prison. Manafort tells Gates to relax. He’s talked to the president’s personal counsel. He says they’re going to “take care of us.” Manafort tells Gates he’d be stupid to plead guilty now, “just sit tight, we’ll be taken care of.” Gates wants to be crystal clear on what exactly Manafort’s getting at. So he asks: Is the president going to pardon them?
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| 0:29.0 | It's January 2018. |
| 0:33.0 | Paul Manafort and Rick Gates are in a whole lot of trouble. |
| 0:37.0 | The past is catching up to them. |
| 0:40.0 | Three months earlier, they'd both been indicted on multiple felony counts, |
| 0:44.0 | and now it looks like there might be even more charges coming. |
| 0:48.0 | Gates is getting nervous, they're facing many years in prison. |
| 0:52.0 | Manafort tells Gates to relax. |
| 0:54.0 | He's talked to the president's personal counsel. |
| 0:57.0 | He says they're going to take care of us. |
| 1:01.0 | Manafort tells Gates he'd be stupid to plead guilty now. |
| 1:05.0 | Just sit tight, we'll be taken care of. |
| 1:08.0 | Gates wants to be crystal clear on what exactly Manafort's getting at, |
| 1:12.0 | so he asks, is the president going to pardon them? |
| 1:17.0 | This is the report, episode 13, |
| 1:20.0 | Pardons on the Table. |
| 1:24.0 | So far, volume two has looked at President Trump's efforts to control |
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