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Witness History

The repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell'

Witness History

BBC

History, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.51.6K Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2021

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

LGBT servicemen and women in the US armed forces had to keep their sexuality secret until the 'Don't ask, don't tell' policy was repealed in 2011. Lieutenant Colonel Heather Mack served under the policy for most of her military career. She spoke to Rachael Gillman about her experiences. This programme is a rebroadcast.

Photo: Lieutenant Colonel Heather Mack (l) with her wife Ashley (r) and their two children. Courtesy of Heather Mack

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0:00.0

I'm Rory Stewart and I grew up wanting to be a hero and I'm still fascinated by the ideas of heroism.

0:08.9

In my new series, I'm taking in the long sweep of history from Achilles to Zelensky and asking, what is a hero?

0:16.1

Simply doing your job, being a decent human being.

0:20.0

A true hero is someone who just kind of shines by

0:23.1

their own light and that light is to be recognised by others. The long history of heroism

0:27.8

with me, Rory Stewart. Listen on BBC Sounds. Now it's time for witness history with me, Rachel Gilman.

0:40.4

Today we're going back to September 2011

0:42.7

and the repeal of the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy,

0:45.8

which had banned LGBT people who served in the US military

0:49.2

from being open about their sexuality.

0:52.0

The breakthrough for LGBT service people was signed into law by President

0:56.0

Barack Obama. Some of you remember I visited Afghanistan just a few weeks ago. And while I was

1:01.6

walking along the rope line, there was a big crowd, about 3,000. A young woman in the uniform was

1:09.6

shaking my hand and other people were grabbing and taking

1:11.9

pictures and she pulled me into a hug and she whispered in my ear. Get, don't ask, don't tell,

1:20.7

done. Before President Obama's move, Don't Ask, Don't Tell had meant that any LGBT service

1:26.7

people in the US Army, Navy, or Air Force

1:29.5

had to hide their sexuality from their colleagues. At times it was difficult and very challenging

1:34.4

because when you serve in the military, you're responsible not only for your soldiers, but for your

1:40.3

soldiers' families. Don't Ask, Don't Tell was Army Policy for the greater part of Lieutenant Colonel Heather

1:45.8

Mack's Army career.

1:47.1

As a leader in the military, I would always ask about my soldiers and how they were doing

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