Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Reveal.

From the nightmarish creations of Hieronymus Bosch to the intricate flying machines of Leonardo da Vinci.

The renaissance was a time of experimentation and cultural exploration.

Speaking to Charlotte Hodgman, on today's episode our guest is art critic and writer Jonathan Jones,

who's here to take a closer look at this period of seismic change and to explore

the enduring significance of this pivotal time in history. So Jonathan, thanks so much for

joining us today. When we're talking about the Renaissance, just to kind of put it in context,

when are we actually talking about? We could spend the whole podcast just talking about that, couldn't we? My book

begins at the beginning of the 15th century, begins circa 1400 and ends in, I think, 1608. In fact,

actually, it begins in the year 1434 and ends in 1608. I even joke about trying to find the first day of the Renaissance

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