All right, we are live. I'm Pastor Mike Winger. A lot of you guys know me. I try to help people learn to think

Biblically about everything, but I've brought on a guest today, a special guest, I guess you're that way.

Vocab Malone also known as a street apologist, and I have a link to his YouTube channel down below if you guys want to check it out.

I've known Vocab for a while now. We met a few years ago, but today we're talking about something that you've spent a great deal of time working on.

Which is Black Hebrew Israelites. And this is a particular group that I don't know as much about, but I've been asked about a lot and thought it would be good to bring someone on who knows what's up to walk us through.

Who are they, what they believe, how to interact with them, how to actually reach them and change minds, and to talk about why it, why it matters. This particular group is concerning for a few different reasons.

So Vocab, why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself and then introduce us to the Black Hebrew Israelites, like who are they?

Sure. When I was in high school, I started researching my own faith to make sure it was real. And I got engrossed in apologetics to answer my own questions. And as I did that, I wanted to tell other people, I started telling other people they had questions. So then I had to go to research their questions. Next thing I know evangelism and apologetics were connected and I found myself for lack of a phrase out on the street talking to people.

And through that interactive with all kinds of beliefs and ideas, including the Hebrew Israelites. And so that's when I started really studying them more because at the time, there wasn't a lot of resources. These days are a little bit more.

And I just kind of went in and I just really never stopped because the further I went, it seems like the ideology kept on growing and growing and growing.

And so it was kind of a situation where we needed all hands on deck. And so there's a number of us and we we deal with the ideas presented in the ever changing theology sometimes online and sometimes even out on the corner on the street, you know, face to face as well.

In fact, you were just down in my area. If you like last week, was it last weekend?

Yeah, a week ago, basically, we were in San Diego. And ultimately we were there because there's some Muslims who do Dawa that's inviting people into Islam at a beautiful park. They're called Babu Park.

But we knew that wasn't until Sunday. And so we said, well, let's also go talk to some Hebrew Israelites. So we ended up talking to Sakari, one of the main people who got to have a conversation was Adam Coleman. And there was a decent conversation.

I like that I can force. Yeah, Adam did great. He's a great guy. It was sad though because they did like a follow up video. And in that they were just really unfair to him. And it was it was tough because they they ruined a somewhat helpful dialogue with some of the stuff they said in the commentary, you know, sometimes this kind of thing happens.

But nonetheless, everyone involved learned a lot, you know, John McCray from, you know, what do you mean? He was air Sam Shemoon, David Wood, a number of other brothers and sisters, a younger guy named Carlton. And of course, Adam, myself. So it was awesome time.

So all right, break us in a little bit, you know, big picture. If you've never heard of the Hebrew is relied to the black Hebrew Israelites, like, what do we need to know 101? Who is this group?

The key thing is the ideology of Hebrew is realism. And the essence of it is if you're negatively impacted by the transatlantic slave trade, you might just be a true is relied. There's different ways you can phrase that.

But that's the essence of Hebrew is realism. Now, there's a lot of things that are generally associated along with it because that claim in and of itself, although historically dubious is not heretical per se.

It's all the things that get attached and the way this newly discovered, if it really is a discovered identity becomes the pinnacle of a person's identity and the trunk card in their theology.

So everything gets thrown out of whack, everything's all tap seater. It's almost impossible. I'm speaking anecdotally, maybe it is possible, but Mike, it is almost impossible to find a Hebrew is a light of any type of stripe who is balanced in their view of Christ and their supposed view of them being in Israel.

So there's like this issue that probably most people aren't even thinking of that becomes the center of the unifying truth in the movement. And then it just from there it branches out and it has really detrimental impacts on sort of central Christian beliefs, or at least it seems that it does that regularly.

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