The Reasoning Test Psychologists Still Can't Explain
The Rest Is Science
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🗓️ 20 April 2026
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, hello, and welcome to The Rest is Science. I am Michael Stevens. And I'm Hannah Fry. |
| 0:06.5 | And today, I really, really want to talk about a task, a test that basically everyone fails. |
| 0:16.3 | I have a hunch that you won't fail this test, Hannah. |
| 0:20.7 | Not so sure. We'll see. We'll see. Let me give you... have a hunch that you won't fail this test, Hannah. |
| 0:21.8 | Not so sure. |
| 0:22.7 | We'll see. We'll see. |
| 0:23.6 | Let me give you some context first, which I shouldn't normally do because in actual |
| 0:29.7 | experiments where this task is given, people are just there to get their 10 bucks and go. |
| 0:34.9 | And I think that if you hype it up and you tell people, oh, you got to |
| 0:37.9 | really think about it. Oh, it's so difficult. Oh, it's such a tricky one. Then people will probably |
| 0:43.3 | spend more time and get it right. Okay. We could talk about all of that later, but let's just dive |
| 0:48.1 | right into it. This is a reasoning test, a very simple single question that involves four cards that was devised in |
| 0:56.3 | 1966 by Peter Cathcart-Wassen. And it is basically the test when it comes to studying |
| 1:04.7 | the psychology of reason. If you look into the history of our scientific study of human reasoning, you basically only find this test. |
| 1:13.9 | The test is called the Wasson selection task, and it was developed in 1966 by Peter Cathcart-Wasson. |
| 1:23.9 | Now, today it has been called the most intensely researched single problem in the history of reasoning. |
| 1:31.3 | And my two favorite philosophers, researchers of reason, Mercier and Sperber, they call it, actually, they don't know what to call it. |
| 1:40.3 | This is what they say. |
| 1:41.3 | Is this selection task to psychology of reasoning what |
| 1:45.3 | the microscope has been to biology? Or is it rather, as the Rubik's Cube has been to biology? |
| 1:53.7 | Just kind of baffling and fun. Not adding anything really of any merit. So in Wasson's original test, only 10% of people got it |
| 2:06.7 | right. If you look across all the studies that have replicated that sense, you get a number |
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