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🗓️ 2 May 2025
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President Trump believes that if you're born in the United States, you should not automatically be a citizen.
Historian Heather Cox Richardson says Trump is willfully misinterpreting American history and the Constitution.
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0:39.6 | This is On Point. I'm Magna Chakra-Bardi, and Heather Cox Richardson is with us in the studio today. |
0:45.4 | She's author of Letters from an American, the hugely popular newsletter and substack. |
0:50.4 | She's also the author of many books, including her latest, which is Democracy Awakening, Notes on the State of America. |
0:57.8 | She's also a professor of history at Boston College. Professor Richardson, welcome back to one point. |
1:02.4 | It's always a pleasure. |
1:03.9 | Okay, so I'm going to start with something a little bit different today. Since you are in the studio here with me, I've got a little bit of a |
1:11.3 | highlighted text here on my screen. I'm going to turn the screen towards you. Can you just like read that |
1:15.9 | sentence? All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction |
1:22.3 | thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. |
1:29.5 | So what's that? What is that? |
1:31.2 | That is the beginning of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified 1868. |
1:36.4 | I've been told it's your favorite amendment. |
1:38.2 | It is. Everybody has a favorite amendment. That happens to be mine. |
1:42.1 | So this is the first sentence of the first section of the 14th Amendment, |
1:47.6 | which really means something significant. Is there any way, any possible way you think, |
1:54.3 | to interpret that language other than you're born here, your citizen here? No, no, there really isn't. And I could tell you |
2:03.2 | how people get around that by trying to create a different pathway around it. But in order really |
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