The Real Scoop on "Separation of Church and State"
The Charlie Kirk Show
Charlie Kirk
4.5 • 44.1K Ratings
🗓️ 28 November 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
Why did Americans ever think there was a "wall of separation" between religion and government in America? Do recent religious freedom victories leave America open to sharia law or other forms of Islamization? Religious freedom lawyer Kelly Shackelford of the First Liberty Institute explains the myths people have been fed for decades and why the legal situation for Christian believers today is so actually stronger than at any time in living memory.
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| 0:00.0 | My name is Charlie Kirk. |
| 0:04.6 | I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. |
| 0:11.3 | My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. |
| 0:14.5 | If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. |
| 0:19.9 | But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You've got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a turning point USA College Chapter. Go start a turning point. You would say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. |
| 0:39.0 | I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. |
| 0:41.2 | Most important decision I ever made in my life, |
| 0:43.8 | and I encourage you to do the same. |
| 0:45.2 | Here I am. |
| 0:46.1 | Lord, use me. |
| 0:48.1 | Buckle up, everybody. |
| 0:49.4 | Here we go. |
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| 1:08.9 | All right, everybody, welcome to this special long-form interview with Kelly Shackleford, who's |
| 1:15.3 | the president and CEO of First Liberty Institute. That's firstliberty.org. Kelly, you were a really |
| 1:22.7 | close friend of Charlie's. You've been on this show many times times and it's an honor to have you in the |
| 1:28.4 | studio because oftentimes we'd have you and it would be breaking news about something that was |
| 1:32.7 | going on with the Supreme Court or some case that you were working that you know our audience |
| 1:37.9 | needed to know about you're here on campus at turning point USA you're visiting and you're |
| 1:42.7 | you're you're supporting the mission that the organization |
| 1:47.1 | that Charlie built and this legacy that we're all trying to move forward. And I just want to say |
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