He is Professor Paul Kengo, an author of numerous fascinating books about conservatism,

about communism, and my favorite is Dupes. Professor Kengo, welcome back to, well not back to welcome,

welcome to my cabinet, Paul. It's great to be with you. I've done the radio show what probably

half a dozen times you're so, and so it's good to be talking face to face. By the way, I haven't

seen you in a while. I think the last time was, it might have been almost 10 years ago.

What? Seriously? We've got to remedy that. We've got to remedy that.

So before we get stuck in and discuss the sad, renewed relevance of the canon of your work,

say a little bit about who you are, what you do today, and why you're so obsessed with communists.

Well, bless a long story, but I, well, look, I graduated from college in 1989, 1990. So it was

May of 1990, and I was a senior at the University of Pittsburgh. I was actually a pre-med major.

Wow. And I was working for the Oregon transplant team there. I was looking at a career in medicine

of all things, but I became intensely interested in international affairs, the events of the day.

What was happening with Ronald Reagan, MacKyle Gorbachev, Hope John Paul II, Margaret Thatcher,

Boy, like Wallace of Ocklepobble, all those different things. I ended up writing for my student

newspaper, I ended up being the editorial page editor of the student newspaper, which said,

by the way, it was the first time that I was called a fascist in a Nazi.

What? Back, back in 1990? That's a bit early for the snowflakes to be calling people Nazis.

And what was your crime? Did you speak the truth back then as well, Paul?

I'll tell you what I did. I wrote an article on homelessness, and why I thought it wasn't

Ronald Reagan's fault. It actually got me called a racist. And then I wrote a piece on why I

thought arming the Contrism was a good idea. And that got me called a Nazi and a fascist. In fact,

I'll never forget, my dad picking me up to give me a ride home one weekend. And he said,

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