Hey everyone. This is Jonathan Kapart and welcome to K-pop. If you're like me and trying to really

understand why working class whites not only voted for Donald Trump, but continue to stick by him,

then you're going to want to hear what Justin Guest has to say.

Donald Trump has become a white working class symbol because he is the one who has returned

them to prominence in American politics.

Guest is the author of The New Minority, White Working Class Politics in an Age of Immigration

and Inequality.

And you can hear the rest of our conversation about his thought-provoking book right now.

Justin Guest, thank you very much for being on the podcast today. My pleasure.

So another Cape Up alum, Eric Liu, founder of Citizen University and the executive director of the Aspen Institute

Citizenship and American Identity Program. You may know him, you may have heard of him. If not, I'm going to tell you

why I'm bringing him up.

He said on the podcast recently, quote, we're in this incredible period where whiteness and

Americanness are splitting apart and that is freaking a lot of people out.

You've written an entire book about this.

So I just want you to give me a thumbnail sketch of what you learned in East London and Youngstown, Ohio.

Wow, you know, this is a long book to be, to give you a thumbnail of.

Yes, I know.

But with regard to what Eric said, he is right in some ways.

I think the most powerful thing that we have seen from this movement of right populism has been the consolidation and the realization of a sense of white identity,

a sense of racial consciousness, group consciousness,

amongst a group of people who really haven't had that before.

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