All right. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on Tonight Show. I have two very special guests. They both published and wrote a book together, a book that was published in April of 2021. Their names are Rob, Ron Chepisuk and Heseson. And the title of their book is The Real Mr. Big, How a Colombian Refugee became the United Kingdom's

most notorious cocaine kingpin.

So they're both here with me today.

And this is not Ron's first book.

He's actually written many other true crime books.

Titles of some of those are Superfly, the true untold story of Frank Lucas, American gangster.

Also drug lords, the rise and fall of the Cali cartel,

Sergeant Smack, the legendary lives in times of Ike Atkinson, Kingpin, and his band of brothers,

the Trafficante's godfathers from Tampa, Florida, the mafia, the CIA and JFK assassination,

Robin Hood of the Hood, the Life in Times of Teddy Row,

Policy King, Gangsters of Harlem,

the Gritty Underworld of New York City's Most Bayan Stainwright.

So he's done a lot of writings on this subject.

This is a fascinating book.

I finished it today.

Really a remarkable story that I had not heard before.

So I'm going to let Ron kind of talk about his background and how this the inception of this book

the real Mr. Big began so Ron Chepasuk I hope I'm pronouncing that right right you pronounce it great great great

pronunciation yeah the books really started in May 2017 when I got an email from Jesus's daughter and she introduced

herself and she said that her father was in prison at the time and he was getting out and he wanted

to know if I would collaborate if I'd be interested in collaborating on his autobiography,

and she sent me about five links to articles about her father.

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