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The Gist

The Real March Madness Upset

The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

News, Daily News

4.53.7K Ratings

🗓️ 22 March 2019

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

On The Gist, ISIS may be defeated, but the people who made up its forces aren't gone.  In the interview, novelist John Lanchester is here to discuss his new novel The Wall, the symbolic and practical use of walls, and how closely we should pay attention to our dreams.   In the Spiel, Jim Nantz shouldn't be in those Capital One commercials for March Madness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

There is a bit of explicit content in the podcast you are about to hear.

0:08.7

It's Friday, March 22nd, 2019 from Slate, it's the Gist I'm Mike Pasca.

0:13.9

The Mueller report is in. We don't have details yet. But you should also know,

0:19.6

as that happened, ISIS is out. Yes, ISIS is defeated. Woo-hoo! Have you heard the caliphate is past?

0:26.8

It's caliph's sell-by date. The Islamic State in Syria is in Syria no more. The White House says

0:33.8

in tweets with caps that ISIS is 100% defeated. Here's Fox News coverage.

0:41.2

For the first time since we've been here in Syria, five days covering this offensive,

0:47.0

the bombs have stopped dropping, the gunfire has disappeared. There's an airy calm here now,

0:53.5

and I think we have witnessed the end of the caliphate. Now, maybe those words would be more

0:58.5

convincing if the reporter weren't covered in full body armor and a helmet. Maybe it's just

1:04.0

worried about being radicalized online. CBS also reported on the facts of ISIS being defeated,

1:10.4

which is true in terms of a caliphate that claims territory actively fighting, but then the reporter

1:19.6

added this. The defeat of ISIS on the ground is a major milestone, but tens of thousands of

1:25.7

ISIS members and supporters have melted away and they will continue to pose a threat to the

1:30.8

security of this region. The White House should know that much like declaring infrastructure

1:35.5

week doesn't make it so, growing about the defeat of ISIS has a huge potential to come back and bite

1:40.9

you in the rear or bomb you in the marketplace. Some strain of virulent anti-western terrorism

1:47.0

will rise. In fact, it doesn't need to rise. It's there and always has been there. It hasn't

1:51.8

stopped targeting innocents, often those allied with the United States. Take that into account

1:57.4

when you consider the argument put forth by President Trump today as he talked to reporters with

2:02.3

his helicopter whirling in the background. I brought this out for you because this is a map

2:10.1

of everything in the red. This was on election night. In 2016, everything red is ISIS.

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