Hey, Kletterbugs. Welcome back to the Kletterbugs podcast. I am very excited about today's interview

because we have ingrid and Leslie from the declutter hub all the way from the other side of the world

across the pond as they say. And we're going to be talking about the emotional cost of clutter

and really like the true cost even more than just emotional cost of clutter. So this is an exciting

one. And it's also the first time I've interviewed two people at once.

Welcome. Hello. Thanks for being here. Oh, thank you so much. It's lovely. It's a bit of

hair cast. Thank you for inviting us. Yes, we're absolutely delighted. Thank you so much. We can't

wait to share this discussion with you. So thank you for having us on. Yeah, it's wonderful. You

have an incredible podcast. I've been watching it all yesterday and all today. I don't know where

you've been my whole life. But this is I'm very hooked now. So I actually listened to your podcast

talking about the cost of clutter. And I was nodding the whole time because as my listeners know,

I really struggled with clutter for the majority of my life. So I have felt it firsthand, that sort

of shift. And now that I work with clients, the number one thing I hear all the time is I don't

want to let things go. I don't want to waste the money that I spent on those things. So I think

this is an important conversation we're going to have today. And you're going to share with us all

the ways that it's actually costing us to keep these things. But I want to just let my listeners

know who are listening at home, please get up and start finding things to go. So while you're

listening to this take action on your home, go onto your kitchen sink, go in your closet.

We're not pulling everything out and sorting into piles. I want you to look for things and trust

your gut that you know you don't love you don't use and you do not need in your home. Okay,

so let's jump in. I'm excited because I know the biggest cost that my clutter was costing me.

And it's probably not what people think. But I want to hear from you. Do you want to jump into like

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