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Civics 101

The Raw Milk Question

Civics 101

NHPR

History, Government, Society & Culture

4.22.6K Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2026

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Today we bring you a story from our sister podcast Outside/In, produced and reported by Marina Henke. DONATE TO THE PODCAST! In 2009, the state of Maine ordered farmer Dan Brown to stop selling his raw milk. It kicked off a five-year legal battle that stoked the flames of Maine’s dairy wars. But, after Farmer Brown lost his case and hung up his milking hat, things quieted down.  Twenty years later, raw milk has surged back into the zeitgeist. Influencers are saying it tastes like ice cream, RFK Jr. is taking shots of it at the White House, and Gwyneth Paltrow is putting it in her coffee. All of which makes for a pretty obvious question… What’s the appeal? Is raw milk some kind of superfood? Or something to avoid at all costs?  Featuring Dan Brown, Andy Bisson, Danny Bisson, Nicole Martin, Pamela Ruegg, and Mary McGonigle-Martin. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to Civics 101. I'm Nick Cappadice. Would you be surprised to learn that the federal

0:05.4

government is responsible for maintaining a document about milk? I'm talking about the gallon you might

0:11.9

have in your fridge right now. The document, and I've got a link to it in the show notes, is called

0:16.7

the pasteurized milk ordinance. It is long. It outlines how distributors must process milk

0:24.5

in order for it to cross state lines. It is constantly being edited, and as of this moment,

0:30.4

April 2026, it is a whopping 465 pages long. Now, if you were to do what I just did and sort of thumb through a couple of those pages,

0:41.5

oh my goodness, this is a good reminder that our government makes a lot of decisions about what

0:46.9

gets to go into our grocery stores and eventually our bodies.

0:53.1

And, as with so many things that the federal government has a say in, there are people out there

0:59.4

who do not like this.

1:02.4

One little bit.

1:05.8

Turns out that milk can actually tell us a whole lot about how American citizens relate to

1:10.8

our government.

1:11.8

We've got private rights versus the public good, state versus federal law, and finally, public

1:18.3

health versus misinformation. So today we are going to play an episode all about milk from our

1:24.1

sister show Outside In. And instead of just focusing on the milk laws,

1:28.5

which you know that Anna and I could have had a field day with,

1:32.9

Outside In does what they do best and starts with the science.

1:36.7

But do not worry, gentle listener, all roads,

1:39.5

even the well-trod cattle roads from a dairy farm lead to civics.

1:45.3

Stick around.

1:57.1

Springs blooming at Starbucks. A new season calls for new discoveries like our iced ube vanilla matchelate, smooth, creamyty balanced with notes of vanilla it's a treat for

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