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Goldman Sachs Exchanges

The Rate Stuff: What Markets Are Saying About the Macro Outlook

Goldman Sachs Exchanges

Goldman Sachs

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4.41K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2018

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

What are the markets telling us about expectations for the economy and monetary policy? We sat down with Francesco Garzarelli, co-chief markets economist of the Global Macro Research team, who says recent upticks in volatility reflect a stronger US growth outlook and uncertainty about how the Federal Reserve will respond to it. He discusses why investors should pay attention to the "term premium" reflected in bond prices to assess whether investors are too complacent about inflation, and the implications of divergence in monetary policy between the US, Europe and Japan. This podcast was recorded on March 6, 2018. All price references and market forecasts correspond to the date of this recording. This podcast should not be copied, distributed, published or reproduced, in whole or in part. The information contained in this podcast does not constitute research or a recommendation from any Goldman Sachs entity to the listener. Neither Goldman Sachs nor any of its affiliates makes any representation or warranty, as to the accuracy or completeness of the statements or any information contained in this podcast and any liability therefor (including in respect of direct, indirect or consequential loss or damage) is expressly disclaimed. The views expressed in this podcast are not necessarily those of Goldman Sachs, and Goldman Sachs is not providing any financial, economic, legal, accounting or tax advice or recommendations in this podcast. In addition, the receipt of this podcast by any listener is not to be taken as constituting the giving of investment advice by Goldman Sachs to that listener, nor to constitute such person a client of any Goldman Sachs entity. Copyright 2018 Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC. All rights reserved.

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0:00.0

This is exchanges of Goldman Sachs where we discuss developments currently shaping markets, industries, and the global economy.

0:15.4

I'm Jake Seward, Global Head of Corporate Communications here at the firm.

0:19.2

February of 2018 broke a long stretch of low volatility in both equity and bond markets and the

0:24.3

volatility is continued here into early March. What's behind that new

0:27.7

volatility and how is monetary policy reacting? To discuss these topics and more, we're joined by Francesco

0:34.1

Garzarelli, who's based in London and serves as co-chief markets economist of

0:38.3

the Global Macro Research Team. Francesco, welcome to the program.

0:42.0

Thank you for having me.

0:44.0

So let's start with the state of play here in early March.

0:46.0

Stocks and Bonds have been on a bit of a bumpy ride over the past month or so.

0:49.0

What's driving this new volatility?

0:51.0

Well, I think ultimately it seems to be a reappraisal of the growth outlook.

0:56.9

They came about primarily with the fiscal impulse here in the United States.

1:01.9

And alongside that, investors are generally more

1:04.2

uncertain as to how the Fed will respond to heightened growth and also where

1:11.6

the so-called terminal rate, so where's the peak of policy rates going to be in this

1:16.8

cycle.

1:17.8

So that's an open discussion going on in the market and that's I think the source of a bit more volatility than we've seen in past few years.

1:26.4

So the bond market's been in bowl phase forever, as long as we can remember almost.

1:31.6

People are starting to say, well well maybe we're entering a new

1:34.3

sort of bearish bond market. What are your thoughts on that? We have actually a good

1:39.5

report out asking exactly that question and I think in order to have a bond bear market you have to have more

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