In a way, the evolution of the extremist landscape has been one in which we see increasingly

the risk of violence and threat of violence coming not just from ostensibly violent groups. The justification coming from mainstream

politicians or influencers is important in the radicalization of those outside those groups and that's something that we've seen more and more of.

And we're, I mean, amazing because even in the most like extreme context of violent extreme and

neo-Nazi type environments environments you see more and more

content being shared from the mainstream.

Welcome to Beg to Differ, the Bullworks Weekly Roundtable discussion featuring civil conversation across the political spectrum.

We range from center left to center right. I'm Mona Charon, indicated columnist and policy editor at the

Bullwork, and I'm joined by two of our regulars. Damon Linker, who writes the

Substack newsletter notes from the middle ground and Linda Chavez of the Niskanin Center.

Bill Galston is traveling this week sitting in for him is Philip Bump, columnist at the

Washington Post. Our special guest this week is Sasha Havlachak.

Sasha is co-founder and CEO of the Institute for Strategic Dialogue,

which focuses on global initiatives to counter the rise of weaponized hate,

disinformation, and extremism both online and offline.

So thanks one and all. This is the eight we are recording this on the 80

anniversary of D day. There have been some amazingly moving moments that have been captured

from the ceremonies today and so before we plunge into everything else, I just wanted to express and I'm sure I speak for all of us,

our eternal gratitude for the people who gave their lives and who fought there and died there.

It was, it made the world we enjoy possible.

So, Sasha, I'm going to turn to you and ask you to give us the lay of the land in terms of what kinds of threats we're facing vis-à-vis election

disinformation in 2024. I know you focus on a lot of different kinds of online

...