When Charlie Kirk was murdered, you were actually the number one person I thought about.

Is there a skew in attitudes to political violence?

I think we've seen an authorizing environment for violence on both sides.

I know sciops when I see them, and I know persuasion techniques when I see them.

We almost can't comprehend a

troll farm with thousands of people and thousands of devices and tens of thousands of comments

flooding into our networks and our social media and flooding into our kids and the effect that has.

The real aim with these mechanisms that are out of control is to get the far left and the far right,

and a lot of this is young men, to meet at that horseshoe of nihilism.

I believe it's unequivocal that DEI and oppression and anti-Semitism and microaggression training

not only is ineffective, but that it drives the opposite effect. Because what you foreclose, you make forbidden, and what you make forbidden becomes taboo,

and what becomes taboo becomes sacred and alluring.

Greg, welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you. Thanks for having me on, gentlemen.

It's good to have you on. We're going to talk about assassination culture, political violence in America, the divisions that this country is now experiencing as well. When Charlie Kirk was murdered in the horrific way that he was, you know, the initial reaction for me was obviously concerned for his family. You know, we didn't even know he was going to survive. But when I thought a little bit

later about the political ramifications of all of this, you were actually the number one person

I thought about because you've been thinking and researching and studying the issue of political

violence for a long time. Tell us a little bit about your background, how you've come to where

you are and what you do now. Hmm.

Well, I'm a novelist is my day job, and I write spy thrillers and other kinds of thrillers,

which have had me in all sorts of unusual circumstances.

I've gone undercover in a mind control cult.

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