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Hello and welcome to the Rachman Review. I'm Gideon Rachman, Chief Foreign Affairs commentator

of the Financial Times.

This week's podcast is about Iran's nuclear program and the threat of another war in the Middle East.

My guest is Sanam Vakim, director of the Middle East program at Chatham House here in London.

Nuclear talks between the US and Iran began in Amman last weekend and are set to continue soon.

President Trump's repeatedly warned that if the talks fail, military action is the alternative.

So is Iran heading for a new nuclear deal or for war? With Iran, yeah, if it requires military, we're going to have military.

Israel will obviously be very much involved in that.

It'll be the leader of that.

But nobody leads us.

We do what we want to do.

That was, of course, President Trump with an unambiguous threat towards Iran.

It all sounds very alarming, but talk of a bombing raid on Iran's nuclear program has been

around for decades, and there have been previous

rounds of talks and deals reached and then broken. So I began my conversation with Sanam Vakil

by asking her, what's different this time? Well, 10 years on from the Iran nuclear agreement,

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